Yes, you, the guy who loves cops and wants more cops and supports everything god king Biden does is definitely a good progressive, and definitely not just a fascist wearing blue.

Brother I don’t want to be mean but are you like genuinely schizophrenic or something because I genuinely cannot comprehend anything you’ve tried to say this whole time.

I’m a progressive leftist.

What do you mean? Who is being helped? Who is being mocked?

The democrats are naming a prison after trump to mock him. I am saying Biden deserves to be mocked as well for contributing to the increasingly developing police state.

That’s good! I was a janitor for a while. One of my favorite jobs, actually. I’m a big fan of unions. I just think a lot of people on this website specifically fundamentally just don’t understand what goes into forming them, and what exact results to expect from them

I don’t consider 100,000 more cops as help, lol. Do you?

Do you fall for everything a politician says to you so easily? When republicans name their anti abortion the “protecting young Americans act” do you go “wow! They just want to protect young Americans!”

It’s a massive funding bill for 100,000 cops. You cannot possibly be so brainwashed that you think everything the Democratic Party does is good. That’s just being a fascist

I dunno man. If you can’t see how 100,000 more cops deserves getting a prison named after you I can’t help

Hey man, you can have cop boot for breakfast if you want. Won’t be me.

Yeah man. That’s what “technological innovations” are.

The 100,000 cops and 37 billion dollars in policing/surveillance will throw many, many people into prisons. Some of them guilty, many of them, who knows. Many of them on minor charges.

Is that an okay outline

Definitely. You’re a good fella, and it can indeed be hard to find people who have more socialist/progressive goals but still ah… how should I say… realistic understandings of what is fundamentally needed for society to function well.

I hope we don’t lean towards Wall-E either. And I don’t think we will, but browsing this website too much makes me doubt that sometimes and the real lesson to myself is to be online less, lol.

Yes!

(I get the jest that he did not personally take 34 billion out of his venmo account, but this is about as close as it comes to a president personally funding something)

((Also turns out it’s more like 37 billion.))

Yeah, but I bet you work 8 hours a day don’t you?

Just joshing. You have me there that constructions a bit of a tricky one just because it is so boom/bust and area dependent. I do some work with my local Habitat for Humanity and good lord we can’t find a single qualified contractor for some general purpose construction to save our hides. In other areas, very different.

The point being, obviously we’re driving towards a society where UBI is needed and in on the whole people can work a bit less - but when people on Lemmy seem to go “working is bullshit! I could be at work half as long and nothing would go bad!”, that’s sometimes frustrating to me. As I know that is deeply not the case for many fields. Same goes for people who simply cannot conceptualize taking pride in one’s work as a real thing and not just “capitalist propaganda.”

To put it in dork terms, there’s a very thin line between a utopia like Star Trek and one like Wall-E. I want the former… I think many people want the latter.

I never said you don’t have the right to complain. I made a general statement that computer programmers don’t have it as bad as some other types of workers and you came out of the woodwork to scream at me about how much your life sucks, actually.

Okay, that’s fine too. And I agree with you there. But the only solutions there are:

1. Many of the disaffected computer programmers and office workers become nurses, builders, etc. Like, a large percentage of them.

2. We completely decide to stagnate as a society to approximately the year 2018.

Neither of these are great solutions.

Obviously in some far off future we can hypothetically get to the point where so much work is automated that work becomes more (but never completely) optional, but until we get to that point there are absolutely 8+ hours of work to be ton in a ton of fields.

Yeah that’s fine, and completely true. I think people on Lemmy sometimes just get confused by the stat and don’t realize like… how hard most every generation before them also had to work (at least before 1970 or so). Like, on average, much harder than today.

People see the whole productivity rise and people who are maybe not exactly lateral thinkers think that means the average employee literally works so much harder compared to the “comparatively easy” lives of before.

It just ends up creating really… strange dynamics

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Wow, that’s really helpful man. It’s not performative at all. I like it when he quoted a sentence I never said before.

Because - and this might shock you, civilization requires goods and services to be manufactured and performed.

I know it’s really easy to picture “everyone can just work a little less!” But remember… that’s not just you in your office tower. That’s nurses, and construction workers, and HVAC technicians, and builders, and farmers.

So you can have your vision where no one has to work 8 hours a day… but that also means housing will be even more scarce and expensive and the wait time for your mom to get into the ER goes from one hour to five…

It’s really really easy to say “we can just seize the means of production and everyone in the country will work less” when you don’t work in a vital industry. Things get a lot more complicated once you do.

Why are you angry with me, exactly?